Not our first. Have we forgotten about Mr. Romney already?

and Deval, from the great city of Chicago...

Doesn't working in Cambridge and living in Mass. for 20 years make her a resident? I think it does and so do most clear thinking voters.

Don't we WANT people to move here, Gatsby? I bet you're the guy griping that we're losing population!

So what have we learned about running for office in MA. To be elected in MA all you need to do is lie, cheat, and be corrupt, and scare people.

Did we really elect the first woman who claimed to be native american to the Senate? I guess the Commonwealth will have a much better chance of a casino on a reservation nearby now.

We also re-elected a Congressman who was under investigation for his wife's family gambling ring and has not written one piece of legislation since he's gone to DC.

No crying from any moon bat who sells their home and has to pay 40% on every penny of capitol gains on their property.

Deval took federal money ftom the US Dept of Education from his Chicago bud. With that program Duval lowered state standards to equal the national standards required by the program.

It's a shame that Scott lost. He's been in the state senate for a while. I noticed that my town didn't vote for her. Hope that Brown tries again for the senate or runs for governor.

She's lived in MA for almost 20 years. Scotty wasn't born in MA either.

No,DaVinci living and working in Cambridge for 20 Yrs. pretty much makes you a Communist.

"rubber stamp Carpetbagger"?
"cheat, and be corrupt, and scare people"?
Racist statements against native Americans?
"Communist"
Attacks on the Governor and people from Cambridge?
"Moon bat"?
"hoodwinked"

Wow, so much hate from Conservatives and so little sense of reality. When did the Republican party become the party of ignorant bigots? Seriously guys, get a sense of reality.

What a disgrace this stateis. Let.see-Lizzy a total fraud-Tierney a crook and a tax cheat-Kennedy-need i say more about this legacy.
Lynn

We now have some class back into our Delegation!!

She will actually do the exact opposite. Unemployment in this state is going to skyrocket. She is anti-business and believes government is the only solution to us little people's problems. The fact that she has hoodwinked so many people by coddling them with promises of government subsidies truly saddens me. The work ethic in this country is gone and there's no reason it shouldn't be. Why in the world would anybody even try to succeed on their own when the government will just punish them anyways. I have a 6 day old son and I don't know how I can ever tell him to work hard or stay in school rather than just sit on his ass all day and let the government checks come in.

I love the phony outrage, sit one of these clowns down and have an actual discussion and you find out all they have is 30 seconds worth of bumper-sticker slogans like the ones Matt just spouted off, after that they have no basis for their arguments other than things like "I saw a guy use his EBT card to pay for Air Jordans and booze, it's true" or "Dummocrates all want nothing but handouts at the government teat." what it all comes down to is what they perceive as their own best interests - they don't really care about "the country" except for how they think their country will impact their own bottom line. This is why George Bush was so popular after he cut everyone in America a $300 check, and zero Republicans complained about his "stimulus" spending.

@Avon Barksdale: That made me laugh - so totally true about the bumper sticker slogans! I've tried repeatedly to have someone actually give me the facts behind their opinions and all I get is gems like, "shut up, moonbat". I love the fact that conservatives want to remove the power from the government (which is, at least in theory, controlled by the people) and put it in the hands of giant corporations over whom we have little to no control. @Matt Conley: if you can't figure out how to explain to your child that it's better to work for your money than to be lazy and dependent, then I would question your communication skills and the example you set rather than the government. Who would WANT to survive on the pittance that welfare provides when you can make so much more money by applying yourself, not to mention finding personal and professional pride and satisfaction? Your reasoning is ridiculous - we all work. I know I do because I couldn't live the life I want by living on handouts, and I also have too much pride and self-respect to be a lazy leach and so will your son. Show him a good example to live by and he will be fine.

Laurie,
Fact 1: Warren wants to tax corporations like GE directly even though the earnings are already being taxed. This would lead to lower salaries, less jobs, an smaller dividends paid out to investors. Many GE stock holders and most of the workers are the middle class blue collar people she claims to want to help. GE also spends millions on charitable programs much more effective than government run ones. All of this would have to be cut if Warren manages to grab more of the money. And for what? More food stamps? It punishes those who are working and investing and rewards those who are not.

Fact 2:
Social programs provide more than a pittance. A zero income family can live in a $4000/month unit next to Copley Plaza for $25, receive $668 per month in food stamps, a free cellphone worth $25/month, receive free health insurance that would cost us $1200 or more per month and go to college for free and more. Total value without the college $70,416 per year. I know plenty of working families that take nothing and make less than that.

Fact 3: Republicans do not want no government, those are called Anarchists. They want smaller federal government and more state government. They also do not want to end all social welfare, they want to end abuse of these programs and create systems that work. Like private sector job growth for example.

Bob, you really have no idea what is going to happen. This is another step towards disaster. Mass. takes 2 steps forward in 2010,and 5 steps back in 2012. Hold on to your wallet Bob.

Amen, Sean Ward.

all you liberals will get what you deserve, a boot licking rubber stamper will will be a completely partisan drone for Obama. Mass voters regained their usual ludicrous voting behavior, good luck with continued high un-employment, small and mid sized business's continuing to stagnate and more underemployed Bay Staters due to uncertainty and over regulation partially due and a health care plan rammed down the publics throat.... A complete fraud from start to finish....

Have a nice day Mike! Enjoy your throat-ramming.

I cringed at that ad. How clueless to run an ad with someone driving without looking at the road. Typical. I would have hated 6 years of Scott Brown.

Again, peoples obsession with trucks is something I'll never understand. why does that truck bother you so much? He's had it for years as well as many in my family and friends.

I have no respect for Warren - she's going to have to earn it.

I'm driving an 11 year old truck with 180,000 miles on it. I was hoping to buy a new vehicle in 2013, but with the expected increase in my taxes, it looks like I will have to hold off for a few more years.

Gatsby, it will be up to President Obama. If he attempts to shove things down the Republican's throats like he did in his first term, we will continue to have gridlock and that will not be good for any of us.
If he takes a cue from Clinton and moves to the middle and honestly reaches across the aisle, they will work to get things moving again. I hope he chooses the latter.

Interesting you take that position that grid lock is assured. Your so wrapped in your own flag you forget that We are built on Majority rule and more importantly Working for the American people that is 100% of us. Stick with your position of obstructionism and see what happens in 2 years. Elizabeth Warren ran a good race she has class and style and intellect.

Edward, try reading my post again and comprehend! I didn't say it was "assured"!
You are right, majority rules and in the House of Representatives, the Republican's RULE. That means we need to have compromise to get anything done. That means working with the other party. You just voted against a Senator that voted 46% of the time with Democrats! I hope Warren get's even close to that but I have my doubts.
BTW - Is it just my flag or is it yours too? And I don't wrap myself in it. I fly it proudly!

If you think that's true give your Washington reps a call and tell that it's not about either party it's about the American people. Stop the obstruction minded poltics and start working the job you were elected to do. If we don't push Congress they will do their own bidding not ours. Republican or Democrat have to work for us not their party leaders.

Vivian, couldn't agree more. It was his race to loose and he did so by going against the female of the species.

really? When did he vote against womens abortions and birth control? Can you tell me?

Vivian,
You are an uninformed woman. I know it's really hard to think about the "big" issues but you really should think of yourself as more than a vagina.

You got that right! You can go online & see what Scott Brown voted on & he voted "nay" for equal pay. www.votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/18919/

Well, he helped those of us he agrees with.

it's god's will.

Did you use that term when George W. was elected because it would have been more appropriate.

"God help us all.............."

Yeah - if that doesn't pan out, beseech the Tooth Fairy.

Nope. Joe will get Kerry's seat when he's appointed Sec State.

Get ready for a Mass. Senate pair with NO power at all. Kerry as Sec. of State will be one more nail in Massachusetts coffin.

If you're a hard working, tax paying person.....she doesn't represent you.

Read everything you can not just what supports your views. The Republican Party won the special interest money hands and it wasn't even close. Wow, what a bunch of closed minds. Elizabeth Warren will not moving over for Joe or anyone else if you really know how the game is played. She has a lot of work to do for the next 6 to 8 years.

Ok, so if she's a proud Native American, why did she only become proud at age 35 by checking the box and then have the title removed later? Why?

Whine time!

Are photography studios stocking mortarboards these days?

You're right. This is a disgrace.

Rick election season is over,
There is no need to keep bashing the other people now. They won fair and square.

The New England Geneology Association confimed Elizabeth Warren's Cherokee heritage. Just thought you'd like to know ...now you don't have to continue calling our new Senator a "liar". It's too bad Scott Brown started this propaganda stunt to begin...it may have cost him the election, though I think we're all the better for it.

Marlene, The NEGA has pulled that claim back and stopped Mr. Child from speaking. The "proof" was an 1894 marriage application for Warren's grandmother. The issue is Oklahoma didn't have an application process in 1894 for marriage licenses. They only had licenses and that document doesn't mention race. Strangely the "application" they based their claim on has disappeared and they now claim it is an "electronic transcript". But if it makes you feel better keep the lie going...

Yea well Sen. Brown tried very hard to convice the state of that and he failed. Badly. So maybe you could drop take the hint and drop it too? ....

Parson Weems - is that you, Chris K?

GOOD ONE DIANA ! :-}

Really - you'd think that someone at Scotty's daily secret meetings with Kings, Queens, Prime Ministers and Heads of State would have come to his defence.

@ Marlene, Actually it was the New England HISTORICAL Genealogical Society that Warren hired to to find her heritage. And they found NOTHING. Do a little research and see that I am right. I have a close friend that works for them and was on their team doing the investigation. There is no proof and trust me if these guys couldn't find it then none exists. Get your fact straight and don't make things up. All you have to do is a quick search and you will see your mistake. She is not a Cherokee.

congrats America, things will continue to look up. here's to moving forward... Progress

Who cares that "FIVE new FEMALE senators" are going to Washington?? I despise everyone of you that voted for Warren because she's a woman and Obama because he's black. If they are the best candidate then so be it. That wasn't the case. Too many people voted for them based on their race or gender. That's not sour grapes, its the dead on truth.

pffft. If one follows the idea that women will do a better job, tell me why?

Concerned, please show how your subjective claim is "the truth"? You can't as it is a matter of opinion. Also, do you also despise all the voters who voted for Romney because he is white or because he was not black? How bout the voters who voted Brown because he was a man and refused to vote for a women? There out there in droves and fortunately, THEY are the minority. PS, I think you just hate too much.

Reader, Massachusetts would elect a goat so long as there is a "D" next to its name- seriously.

Massachusetts did good this time. It is only smart to stay FAR FAR AWAY from akins and mourdocks. You are right, even donkeys can do better.

jo - that's because the worst goat is way smarter than the best Republican.

Cheryl, this isn't a cease-fire, it's a counter-offensive. Newsflash GOP; women comprise 50% of the population and WE VOTE.

what war on women?

I second that emotion!!

@murial - silly and over the top garbage - not needed

Blahblahblah bored now. God helped us. Deal with it.

"powerful wolves"....are you talking about corporate welfare, all the subsidies we tax payers provide to the high profit oil companies; or to those who are not paying their fair share of taxes and expecting the rest of us to foot the bill paying for the roads and bridges they use to deliver their goods and services to make their high profits? Capitalism is doing very well in America...wall St. and the stock market doing very well; auto industry roaring back. No one is destroying the American dream, but you may have skewed it up in your own mind. G-d has helped us by giving us Elizabeth Warren to help bolster up the divide; to help middle class America; to work with President Obama to provide incentives to bring jobs back to America and help small businesses thrive. The "powerful wolves" have been running the country; it's time we put all of America back together again. Keep the faith!

Really? Lady, until you've experienced genocide (to put it mildly) on a more personal level, I would perhaps tone down the Hitler name slinging. Oh let me guess, you were one of those "Impeach Obama" nuts in front of the B of A lot... If anyone would be the one to exact the scenario of "powerful wolves and helpless sheep" it would be Romney. Now, I'm not "helpless", but that wolf sure as heck doesn't care about my kind, or anyone else except those with money, money, money. America has spoken. I thank my countrymen and women.

LOL

OH MY SIDES

Hitler - the angry commenter's last resort.

You need some serious therapy. And spell check too...

I dare you to make less sense!

ttbg--the war that has women 77 cents for every dollar a man makes --for comparable work. The war where 15 Repub. senators want to end not only abortion but birth control.

It is wrong to put Hitler and George Soros in the same sentence. George Soros is a Holocaust survivor.

Soros is a Holocaust survivor? I didn't know that. What camp was he in?

Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives. ~ John Stuart Mill

Darren, what world have you been living in? Soros made a deal with the Dems(behind closed doors) to supply money to the party for the election of BHO in 2008. Everything was third party. What did he get for his financial support, TWO Million shares of the Brazilian oil. The deal was USA gives Brazil the money for the platform and drilling and exploration, Soros gets the investment at a very low price. WE GET "ZERO". Two years ago there was talk of the UN slipping into the lives of Americans. And there is more. Mark Muriel's comments. It will all surface again. Socialism is on the rise and Capitalism may or may not survive. Look what Soros did to the UK several years ago. Only we (you, me and the rest of Americans) can stop it from happening. I support my Government, Military and the Constitution, but I do not support the President or any one else who wants to lead me down the path to Socialism. As Diana said, GOD HELP US.

Keep spewing the hate, lies and catastrophic prophesies, because that it why the Pubs got crushed.

Where's "Greace"?

Poor, poor Muriel. Your really need to fasten the chinstrap on your tin-foil hat tighter.

Don't forget "Government's", "Hitler's" and "destroy" in addition to the egregious abuse of ellipses. I mean, there's plenty there to attack other than the spelling and grammar, but the spelling and grammar does indicate the caliber of the intellect in question and hey, it's late and we're all tired.

Get used to that spelling. The way this country is going, we might as well change the name to West Greece.

http://michaelgraham.com/archives/you-asked-for-it-america-mdash-you-got-it/?fb_action_ids=10151212225570983&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

I know - jk - funny how the folks calling others ignorant don't know English grammar or spelling!

Dem president + republican congress + dem senate = nothing gets done for four more years.

Well said, Paul!

All Brown does is lie, so WTF are you talking about?

It's spelled LYING not "lieing."

The more you know, DING!

Well I may have comitted the error of spelling something incorrectly at least I don't resort to swearing. As I said before, I am entitled to my opinion & that of my town which overwhelmingly voted Brown over Warren. We unfortunately got run over by others but that is the process & how it works. Maybe you should try a little tolerance & a little less hatred for others.

You may be entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. It's called "lying".

If you think, focus, and believe negative thoughts then you may cheat yourself out of seeing any good that is in front of you. You forget that Republicans still hold office in Congress and will still represent your policy positions. When the Bush tax cuts expire the top earners will have rates a few percentages higher that were in effect during the Clinton years. Remember that the country did not go under during the Clinton years; it prospered ...the more wealthy millionaires and billionaires paid a little more and they still made large profits. Yes, being a millionaire or a billionaire is being 'rich'. Planned Parenthood has saved many a women's life, detecting early cancer; providing birth control pills, not just for birth control but used as medical interventions to reduce cysts and tumors as well; it provides mamograms bringing down the numbers of women dying from breast cancer, and counsels women on best practises for birth control. Preventative medicine at its best; it's affordable, and reaches women who would otherwise not have access to care. Obamacare, too, will ensure coverage to all Americans where so many thousand each year die because they could not get the care they needed until it was too late. With Obamacare you have more quality and efficient care with emphasis on helping to get more primary care physicians trained to curtail the current shortage of doctors. I am very optimistic; I hope you will begin to see more of the positives in this election.

With Obamacare you will have LOWER quality care, as the costs will be kept artificially lower, and doctors will have to care for more patients to maintain the income they are accustomed to. That, or they will stop practicing altogether. As far as efficiency, your suggestion that health care will be run efficiently is a fallacy. Any time the government gets involved in anything, efficiency decreases. National health care will be no different.

ROTFLMAO! Marlene, are you talking about the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act?

Marlene: first of all, I appreciate your thoughtful, intelligent posts, but I have to correct one of your statements - that Planned Parenthood "provides mamograms (sic) bringing down the numbers of women dying from breast cancer." Planned Parenthood does indeed provide invaluable health services to needy individuals, but mammograms are not among them. Rather, PP refers women for mammograms. As to your assertion that mammograms bring "down the numbers of women dying for breast cancer," this has no basis in fact. Sadly, the numbers of women and men, dying from breast cancer have not changed over the past 30 years - approximately 40,000 a year. Mammography is an imperfect science. Many breast cancers are not caught by mammography - younger women with dense tissues do not know that their cancers may not be seen, for example, and those individuals with a particularly deadly form of breast cancer, inflammatory breast cancer, have a disease that cannot be imaged as it presents in sheets rather than a tumor. Finally, it has been found that the biology of a tumor, rather than its size/spread, etc. has more to do with outcome than early detection does. Plenty of individuals originally diagnosed with early stage breast cancer (about 30%) go on to develop metastases - incurable, or terminal, disease. Sorry for the long note - as a person who is still in treatment, I find that the ignorance about the facts of this disease, even with all of the "awareness" efforts, is staggering.

Kate: Thanks for your information and best of luck to you in recovery. Yes, referral is made to outside facilities for mamograms, though screenings are done by PP, as I understand it. My point is to make clear that PP is not an organization that exclusively exists to conduct abortions, as many would like the public to think, and the use of contraceptive pills are used , not only for the purpose of preventing pregnancy, but to also treat a number of female health conditions. From its site, here is a partial list of services provided by Planned Parenthood around some of its cancer prevention and screening services; these are just a few listed. I can't understand why Mitt Romney and Republicans would want to do away with PP...I should probably have said that early detection can save lives and PP gives women this opportunity.
Some, not all:
In 2010, Planned Parenthood provided a total of 1,596,741 services which encompassed:
Pap tests -769,769
Breast Exams and Breast Care - 747,607
Colposcopy procedures (for diagnosis of abnormal growth cells in the cervix) - 41,549
LOOP/LEEP procedures (treatment for abnormal growths) - 2,432
Cryotherapy procedures (treatment for abnormal growths - 1,254

Tina, you are 100% correct. I didn't agree with Brown all the time but when I read his reasoning, I could at least follow it. The issue is too many blindly follow their party (Pelosi you have to pass the bill to know what is in it) and don't stop to think about the unintended consequences. That is why we got a healthcare bill with 18 middle class taxes that are hurting and will continue to hurt the very people it was targeted to help. Oh well, wait until the union people get that huge increase in taxes on their HC insurance plan. Now that the election is over, Obama doesn't need their vote anymore.

Damn, you better leave then.

BYE READER!!!!!!!!!!!

Avon and Mike displaying more of that welcoming bi-partisan attitude (sarcasim if you're too slow to pick up on it). Reader disagrees with you and your liberal, democRATic ways so lets KICK HIM OUT OF THE STATE! We are in big trouble for the next few years.

Run for Gov Scott Brown! We need help!

So much butthurt here... so much.

Taste the sad, Michael. It's DELICIOUS!

There will be plenty of "butthurt" for all of us due to your vote. Thanks for nothing.

yes - you infest this state "non"Reader - that's what's wrong!

^^"On the application to Rutgers Law School she was asked, "Are you interested in applying for admission under the Program for Minority Group Students?'' "No," she replied.
While a teacher at the University of Texas, she listed herself as "white." But between 1986 and 1995, she listed herself as a minority in the Association of American Law Schools Directory of Faculty; the University of Pennsylvania in a 2005 "minority equity report" also listed her as one of the minority professors who had taught at its law school."....

Allrightie, so which is it, then? You can't be part NA at one school and plain old white at another. I don't care if she is or not- just pick one already.

no one wants to answer? if i'm missing info, i want to know.

Marlene your comments throughout this thread are particularly helpfull and very through. Too bad those with blinders on will not even try to understand the knowledge and facts your laying out here, because they are dead on. Keep going I'm enjoying the reading!

It's not a matter of being "willing to vote against" your party; it's how and what you vote for that matters. When you sign a pledge to a person like Grover Norquist and take an oath then you become handcuffed to your party, but provide a few votes here and there because you want to retain a seat from a predominately Democratic state.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Welcome Scott. I see you've met our non-Grafton resident comedian. Enjoy!

Marlene - Excuse my wording. Doesn't necessarily vote party line, which I think you understood. Scott was great for MA, as he offered an open mind. It was fun while it lasted. Grover is the worst. I honestly believe, and hope, that his time is limited.

Any thoughts about corporations and unions?

spell check???

please go ahead explod-ey - show us!

:thumbs-up: smiley (of course, there's not a smileys, so pretend).

That's right, paul. Personal responsibility has no place in today's America. Yesterday proved it.

Why is it that the people who whine about "personal responsibility" never seem to have taken the personal responsibility of actually researching and making an informed decision? I guess it's just easier to take the memes that Fox News hands out, rather than coming up with their own conclusions. I mean, why would you actually work for your knowledge when Fox, Rush and Ann Coulter (all the same thing, really) will just give you what to think? Makes sense.

Whine about personal responsibility? I work 3 jobs to support a family of 5, pay for a kid in college, and pay medical bills for a disabled child.

Meanwhile, over 4% of people in this country are on welfare - 20% of those on welfare for 5 or more years! Do you know what the wage equivalent of welfare in MA is? Almost $15 per hour! Why get a job, when you can get a $600 check every week for not working?

Yeah, I think I have the right to whine.

Anyone who thinks that people on welfare have a better deal than they do ... well, you should probably re-assess how you've lived your life thus far.

I'm also going to take a wild guess that if I spent 15 seconds googling TewksParents stats that they would come up ridiculously bogus and inflated. But I have no personal responsibility, so I won't.

Well Avon, since you're too lazy to even look up stats, I'll do it for you.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

Paul you and the Republican Machiavellians aren't laughing now, are you, but your sure doing a lot of crying. Keep pointing out why were all out of step and see where that gets you. The Republicans and their supporters never really get it, even after an election!

Yeah, man, sleep apnea is no joke.

My uncle Billy died from aspirating phlegm in his sleep, and Bush did nothing.

Avon, many people died in their sleep the past 3+ years and Obama did nothing. Why did your uncle deserve special considerations from Bush? Was he a major campaign contributor that was snubbed?

Obama was just following through on what Bush started, just like the stimulus.

G.R.: What would you be saying if your candidate lost? From previous posts you had, you are not exactly a "Lady of Graciousness".
As for me, I don't have faith that any politician can be trusted or counted on to do the best they can, for as many as possible. Want to see where a candidate really stands? Ask for a list of those who contributed to their campaigns.
Also, I'm announcing my candidacy for Governor today.......would you be the first to contribute to my campaign? If you do, I'll vote for whatever you ask, if I'm elected. See, that's how candidates get their $$$$. They don't care about "Joe Voter", only those who give to them. Face it GR, that's the whole truth in today's political game. If you don't believe it, I have a bridge to sell to you....real cheap.

Gretchen,
Now that my anger from the results of the election has subsided, I will say that I agree and we need to take a cue from Senator Brown and congratulate Senator-Elect Warren and wish her well in her new job in Washington. After all, it's the people's seat

Are you kidding me? Warren election is one of the worst Wall Street nightmares. She was instrumental, as a special advisor to the Treasury Secretary, in creating the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Last year, she took on the “too-big to fail” banks (B of A , JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Citi, and Ally Financial, and got them to pay $25 Billion, iso a puny $5 B. they had “negotiated” as a settlement for their hanky-panky in the fraudulent foreclosure procedures in 2007-2010. She has called for the break-up of bank along the Glass-Steagall proposal, and now that she’ll most likely will end up on the
Banking Committee.

All her actions are and will be in the interest of the consumers and of the country, and this is probably why Wall Street shelled hundred of millions of $$ to defeat her, the President and their financial reforms.

I'm going to keep flagging every single racist and sexist comment you make.

BIg Ben The Comment Police - How is this racist and sexist? Get over yourself.

ps. Big Ben - You've been flagged for your idiotic approach to silencing our freedom of speech.

Yes, Warren brings a substantial knowledge-base to the Senate; she's a powerhouse and no one will own her. She does have a strong history of taking on financial institutions; She's not afraid to do what she sets out to do. I admire the fact that she ran a clean campaign and stuck to the issues. She could have easily thrown in a few pics of Brown in his naked porn poses into her ads and questioned his character, but she kept it clean all the way. She's admirable; ran a professional, mature campaign.

Ben Jackson: the Sun Chronicle in Attleboro ran a letter to the editor where Elizabeth Warren was called a "Squaw." That's not only racist it's misogyny.
To the rest of you, you feel emasculated by a woman with a mind and an intellect that leaves you full of self hate. And so you whine and groan here. Quityerbellyaching.

Um, no, it makes you a self-hating troll. And I'll keep flagging - and I encourage everyone else to do so. This is a place where reasonable intellect can disagree and debate - but there's no room for the hate, racism, and outright stupidity being spewed by "Voice of Reason" and its ilk.

Voice of no logical Reason....you bring nothing of substance to this forum. And what you have posted, repetively, for the past two days comes off a propaganda website, easily attainable, that has been deemed 'FALSE' and listed under Urban Legend. You score no points through name-calling or insults; you render yourself a non-credible attention-seeker.

I have to say, I've never encountered a woman quite as obsessed with ankle-grabbing and pegging as VoR. Color me skeptical.

Tell us how Obama has made your life better Jack. Please give several examples.

Gretchen, Elizabeth Warren lied about her whole life heritage for personal gain, she has zero Native American blood and, despite this, she allowed Harvard to tout her as their first "woman of color" back in the day. She also has been practicing law in Massachusetts without a license since she moved here. Do you have NO issue voting for a congenital liar ? Do you have kids ? Do you tell them to lie their way through life as a way of getting ahead ? WTF is wrong with you Liberals ?

"............she has zero Native American blood"

Prove it. In fact, offer proof for anything you posted. Your bitterness and vitriol is very unbecoming.

Elizabeth Warren lied about nothing...there is no proof, only propaganda spread via the Brown campaign. In so far as her practicing law....first, she does not need a license to be a law professor and does not need a license to appear before the state federal distric court: You do not need to be licensed to practice law in Massachusetts to practice law in federal courts located in Massachusetts or anywhere else. Federal courts decide who can practice before them, and individual states can’t tell federal courts that an attorney cannot practice before them. It’s that whole supremacy clause thing: Constitution 101. I have taken cases before the state's federal court myself as a legal Advocate. It is really well established that a federal district court can admit an attorney to practice before it, even if the attorney is not licensed in that state. You most certainly do not need to be licensed in the state where a federal court of appeals sits to appear before the federal court of appeals. Do you honestly think the federal district court of Massachusetts would admit a case or allow representation if it were not legal? How naive can you be....but Scott Brown thought he'd get some takers on this propaganda...some of us are smarter though.

you know what they say about gristle? it's tough. And the more you chew on it the tougher it gets. Your side lost. It's a democracy. Get over it. Time to come together but somehow your side can't do that? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS?????

Oh, just like Brown worked across the aisle? The way he voted for National Healthcare, or the way he voted to confirm Kagan, or the way he voted for the Lily Ledbetter Act? Oops. That's right, he DIDN'T cross the aisle for those very important votes, did he? He voted lock stock with the nasty R team.

It's a democratic republic. :)

" People supposedly are always asking for the two parties to work together for the common good ...." : we the public in general can't seem to do it, we can't expect our electeds to master it.

laa! laa! laa!
good thing the voters know how to think, that wonderful gray matter inside your skull and mine. Only mine knows how to do critical thinking and yours just goes BLAT. Think man. I've seen more emotionality from guys here than I have in years. What ever happened to 'taking it like a man'??

I don't have a problem with legal immigrants, it is the illegal immigrants that I have a problem with, they don't belong here and its against the law. President Obama does have muslim ties, Mitt Romney is a Mormon and so is Harry Reid. Religion and politics don't mix.

To Trot Nixon: So we should all join the rest of the sheep in Massachusetts and start reading what? The Boston Globe? That 'impartial' rag that's owned by the N.Y.Times? Give me a break!

You've got it right, Trot...and as they complain and latch on to all the garbage they get from the Rush Limbaughs of the world they insist everyone else is getting a handout in life but them and blame people of low income for the poor economy. Face it, the GOP is in trouble and it's not because of poor people or anyone getting hand outs; it because of the whack jobs behind the party. Keep making excuses, keep blaming the working poor, the immigrants, the gays, whoever, but look around and remember that the majority is not with you...you lost because your parties twisted vision lost.

VoR and CM:
There should be NO more talk in Massachusetts about showing an ID in order to vote.
I think your guys here really are just simply miffed that a woman won. Elizabeth Warren will be our Senator for the next six years. Get over yourselves. Who died and made you God? Such arrogance and utter rudeness. Such propaganda and lies. You are disgusting.

Scott Brown was asked by a Native American elder in Oklahoma to apologize for his remarks about Native Americans. He didn't. He refused. Shame on him. If he had been honest and said, I made a mistake and apologized, people like me might have liked him better as a senate candidate. He instead continued on the same course the RNC playbook set out for him. I would have taken leadership to be decent and put himself out there, but voters would have liked him more. He lost lots of votes over this. In Massachusetts we don't let candidates benefit from the hating of Native Americans. We hold them accountable. And vote our consciences.

Scott Brown was the INCUMBENT!!! He lost because he turned people off. Just like you are turning people off her with your insipid remarks.

Isn't that the verbatim text of Elizabeth Warren's unhinged rant from early in the campaign ? The "you didn't build that" speech adopted by Dear Leader Hussein ?

Marlene,

I have worked my whole life, I have paid taxes, and served in the military. I put gas in my car, which has state and federal taxes applied, to drive on our roads. I pay property taxes which pay for sidewalks, everywhere else but Tewksbury anyway. I served in the military, though my 4 years saw no wars, I was still volunteering to go into harms way. I paid for 4 years of college, some though the GI bill and my graduate school through student loans. I own a home that is 9 years and 3 months away from being paid off and a very large part of my paycheck goes to Social Security, Medicare, and all the stuff every American enjoys. When you get off your social serving, flower child, the world owes me soapbox, and match what I, and millions of other hard working American's have done, you can earn the right to speak to me like that. You spoiled little entitled fool. I believe that freedom is earned and being an American is hard work. You evidently believe that entitlement and free loading are endearing and believe that the county owes you. If you have seen the movie Argo? Argo FY!!!!

Cecil Moore....I was not speaking to you, personally, and making personal judgemental attacks against me, personally by suggesting I am a "spoiled fool" does not prove anything or get you any points in the discussion.. I'm glad for you that you've earned your way, so what's your point? I, too, have earned my way and worked hard doing so. I was talking about the term "socialism".that people keep throwing around here..we are all part of a shared living in this country, in a number of ways...we share roads, schools, the benefits of safety that the military provides us, etc. etc. My point is that we all benefit from these social programs despite that we are responsible working citizens, so when people complain that they don't like social programs I say we all benefit from them many times over. Now, if you have a problem with that then go live on your own island.

can't you say something constructive?
by the way none of you can spell...

I seem to remember contraception being a real bee in your (presumably very modest) bonnet. Why do you hate sex, Laura? Did a Republican congressman try to hurt you?

@Diana Huh? Not sure how you draw that conclusion. I just don't think that pregnancy should be treated like a disease. Unless of course it prevents future generations of Dem from voting. Although with amnesty coming, there will be 20 mil more Dem voters.

@ Gretchen, my wireless keyboard needs new batteries. What's your excuse?

Contraception isn't free....you pay for your insurance but won't be required to do a copay - the government isn't in the birth control business nor the healthcare business - doing research on any of this is easily available - you won't get facts from Rush, Hannity, or Fox - use your mind and better information will be available to you

OMG, the gender card. It has nothing to do with woman versus man just as it had nothing to do with Obama as the First A/A President. Liberals cannot get their arms around the notion that ANYONE could disagree with their political viewpoints and thus must attribute it to gender or race or class. Every time I post here I tell myself don't do it because I end up arguing with Liberals who get their talking points from CNN, ABC, CBS, MsNBC, NBC or PBS, in short, the wholly-owned subsidiaries of the Democrat Party and protectors of the holder of the throne, Obama. Liberals are simply ALWAYS wrong.

I don't know... they're right about who's going to win elections.

Jeff, just read some of the previous comments to see your argument torn to shreds. I'm sure there are many such as yourself who vote on merit, but there are also many who will vote for a white man first and foremost regardless of status and qualification.

Gender, race, and class. The holy trinity of liberals.

Gretchen is right - Women are capable and Warren did bi-partisan work n TARP as well as work on the Consumer Protection bureau she designed - how is that not capable - those are accomplishments Scott Brown didn't have in his skill-set - Two years of no real accomplishments but became Wall Street's favorite senator for his efforts to hurt the financial legislation needed to regulate all the stuff that created our recession - So what is the problem.....it's just silly to hate women in this day and age

But notice how carefully 'Voice of no Reason' follows my posts...how he is demonstrating his great interest. But sad how limited * shim is on response substance, as you've already pointed out. ( the use of "shim" here is for one who is most likely male but is trying to impersonate being female: she/him = shim.)

"we're all in the gutter but some of us are looking at the stars"

LOL Gretchen...a good insult is when the person it's directed at doesn't know he's being insulted! I'm a grown man and I can take it as long as it doesnt get too personal. Go ahead and have your fun! You won that right!

I find that offensive. Maybe you will someday have a stroke and realize that we have to take care of each other, that this is a mark of a mature civilization.

Gretchen....I'm upset obviously. But no sense crying about it. Republicans need to sit and observe for a few years now. Then see what happens...maybe develop some candidates and come back stronger. Til then...I dont like Obama or Warren...but they are Americans ( I could so put in a Warren joke here) like me. I'm a Vet and taught to respect the office of the President. Mr. Obama is the President and I wish him well. The time for arguing and name calling is over!

Paul. I hope no one you know ever has a stroke, because then your highly offensive comment might come back to you. You might even feel ashamed of yourself. Look around you. You may someday have one yourself. People have them in their 20s. So don't act so invincible and arrogant.

A psychologist calls it this way: Republican's souce of information is via Fox News which has been pumping up the hype that Romney would win by a landslide. Dick Morris, especially, has been forecasting and calulating the numbers to landslide proportions, and all those gathered under the Fox media bubble have internalized this informatiion to the point that they are now left with a condition of "shock and awe", it;'s the disbelief that they could have been wronged by their only source of information, a la the only credible news headquarters within their perception of reality news. We can only feel sympathy at this point and hope they will receive the therapy needed to bring them through the process from initial shock, to denial, to anger, and hopefully acceptance. Our best wishes go out to all of you now suffering from the "shock and aw" syndrome. Hugs to all of you and you know who you are....You're going to survive this.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't. People bitch if they buy junk food "those people are using food stamps to buy unhealthy processed food". Or if they buy healthy foods "those people eat better than I do". They can't win no matter what they do, so why bother?

Wish there was as much complaining about the guy making two million dollars more than I who pays HALF your tax rate.

Those on welfare are primarily in the red states; they are the ones who voted Republcan for Romney. Check out the facts bud.

Nobody believes these amazing "coincidences" - if these were as true as frequently posted - shouldn't you report the person, let someone know - no, because they aren't true

Your post is virtually fact-free - please truthfully post going forward

Bet you weren't when Bush was informed but did nothing and we got 9/11 - killing 3000 then politicized it for personal gain - sure that didn't happen - hypocrite

Well said Gretchen. Selfish,whining, and love to put people down. Little spoiled whinners. They dont appreciate what they have. Like vipers they wait for the kill.

LOL....the pot calling out a kettle....are you really that ignorant dear?

We're talking about reality. The system is flawed, grossly undermanned and therefore out of control.

That IS reality. I just cut and pasted directly from the website...minus the last paragraph, which is mine.

Amber, don't be naive. There are "many" people right in our little town of Grafton who have worked the system for years,

I am with you. The primary directive of the human race is to help raise our young, to raise the next generation, educate them, teach them ethics and morals, to teach them to think. Or if the child has challenges to give that child a quality of life. Thank you for your truth-telling. Don't let the trolls put you down or minimize what you say. They have said some vicious thing to people they disagree with. But you know you are a humane person, a courageous mother, committed to her child/ren. The hatred of what has been called "the takers" is ultimately cruel, so don't take on that hatred. Find your voice and use it. And never let anyone shut you up. You have a right to your own views and thinking.

Oh, I didn't know you were the EBT police at all of your Grafton supermarkets. :)

Just curious, would those same folks have free rent, fuel assistance, W iC, free health care, a refund from the federal government for taxes (yes when you pay no taxes you can get a refund) a phone, free day care, and possibly a free car? That is just what I can thinks of off the top of my head.

Just curious, would those same folks have free rent, fuel assistance, W iC, free health care, a refund from the federal government for taxes (yes when you pay no taxes you can get a refund) a phone, free day care, and possibly a free car? That is just what I can thinks of off the top of my head.
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Nobody gets free rent. If you mean section 8 housing, those take years to get into and are not free - you pay 30% of your income as rent.

National Grid offers a reduced rate for low-income customers (it's a slight reduction), but they still pay.

It used to be that WIC was required for military families to apply for because most qualified. It covers formula to age 1, and about $30/month in staples from 1-5. Not exactly bank-breaking.

SCHIP covers health care for kids under age 19. Adults, unless they have a disability or serious illness (like breast cancer), mostly don't qualify.

If you don't work, you don't get a tax refund, because EBT benefits are not earned income.

To qualify for reduced-price daycare, you have to wait (there is a VERY long wait list), and you have to be in college full time or working full time. So you can't sit on your bum and get free daycare.

I keep hearing about these mythical free cell phones. I've never seen one in real life...and certainly never free cars.

Well said, FC

I am most annoyed with comments about proving one's ethnicity...how many of us who are not into geneology can PROVE our ancestry? Isn't it most often what we have learned from our parent and grandparent stories? Especially if the ancestor is back more than a couple of generations one's family oral history is most likely the source of our knowledge. enough already please.

Blue, yes. BUT if my mother told me I was American Indian at a young age as Warren claims, I would check that box on all applications throughout my life. If at a later time, it was disproved, the trail would be of all checks until "X" date when I was told/found out otherwise. Warren didn't check the box until she wanted a job at a high value law school and was turned down. Presto change-o, she checks the box and is accepted at Penn and Harvard AND listed in their minority faculty listings but now isn't!
That doesn't make you wonder?

Bobbie boy there was and is no box. Lawrence Tribe, head of Harvard Law said he didn't even know about it, nor did the committee that chose her. AND HE IS A REPUBLICAN.

Oh. My. God.

Amy, we "can't all hold hands" and clap [our] hands" at the same time. :~((

I see your idiocy, and raise it to ridiculousness. Amy didn't suggest we all hold hands and clap. She said "all hold hands" and _sing_ "if you're happy and you know it, clap your hands."

I don't have any hands, thanks for the reminder Amy.

you better get earplugs Bobbie. There's nothing wrong with her voice. The problem is you have ears that don't hear, that block out any new idea or insight. And for your eyes you have blinders that keep you from seeing reality.

Wow Bob, you sure are a thinker.

That Republican bunk about Obama raiding Medicare for $716 billion was exposed as a lie by several independent fact checkers, yet Romney and Ryan continued to say it. In fact, what Obama did was take that amount in COSTS out of Medicare by reducing automatic increases in payment rates for treatment providers and lower subsidies for private insurers. And, this same measure was previously proposed by Paul Ryan. IN NO WAY did this reduce your Medicare BENEFITS. So, wake up, Bob.

And, by the way, without Obamacare, you and I--all of us--have been paying for the uninsured for years--at premium rates--when they wind up getting their medical treatment in the emergency room.

Alice, Bob doesn't want to hear about the poor folks who end up in emergency rooms. He would like all hospitals to build separate wards where the uninsured are kept in pens until private donors step forward to pay for their care else they languish until their illness or injury kills them. Of course he has not thought through who will pay for all the staff who have to drag their carcasses out of there or dig the mass graves, but it might actually make economic sense in the end.

Bob...the medicare fund was not raided..it's going to pay for your MedicareRX. Nothing has changed toward your care; it's improved with immediate electronic access to medical reports, more primary doctors provided incentive training, and hospitals and doctors rewarded for quality over quantity care. And since you're against the "freeloading buns that are too cheap to invest in a medical insurance policy" then you will be happy to know that Obamacare mandates everyone to have health insurance. You paid for them before when they went to the hospital emergency rooms, now those who can afford it will buy their own private plans and just think of the thousands of people who died last year because they couldn't afford health care coverage and got diagnosed too late...these will be a statistic that we will not see in the futhre. Can you feel blessed with what you have?

Does Obamacare mandate that illegal aliens have health insurance? If so, how will it be enforced?
How about members of Congress? Will they be allowed to keep their plum medical plan, or are they going to be forced onto a plan like those in the private sector, where we have $20 co-pays and $1000 per family member deductibles? (That, of course, is if one is lucky enough to work for a company that subsidizes their employees' medical plan)

U mad bro? Seems to be a lot of that going around.

After you clicked "post" did you cross your arms and make a huffy breath in anticipation of the wacko liberal replies you were about to receive? Lighten up, have a cream soda or something.

1. Elizabeth Warren was simply more qualifed.
2. Warren will work with our President all of the time, not some of the time.
3. The senate desperately needs female voices to stop the ridiculous threat to our reproductive rights.

Only need one reason--he lost the election. He did not have the votes. The people spoke and put Elizabeth Warren in "the people's seat," as Scott Brown calls it. And, he was extremely gracious and chided his supporters when they booed Warren at during his concession speech. In fact, he said, "Elizabeth Warren won this election fair and square."

Chase the answer is quite simple. As you can see from the responses you've received so far, it's an unfortunate that so many of my gender take constructive critisism personally and then react emotionally.

Chase - why speculate about the reasons? Each voter had his or her own reason for voting for Brown or Warren. And, when all the votes were counted, more people voted for Warren. It is that simple. No need to denigrate either candidate. Elected officials lose their jobs when they do not get re-elected.

1. He ran the most negative campaign in the history of ever. The ad that lost my vote was the one where he ran the funny looking picture of Warren. I think someone in the eighth grade produced it. It was juvenile and small-minded and I guarantee you it cost him more votes than just mine.
2. He refused to participate in the fourth debate, after agreeing that four debates were needed. (Apparently he was going to put on his cape (aka barn jacket) and drive around in his truck, rescuing people from the storm. Just like Romney, he thought he was ahead and could just play defense at the end. That strategy is a real winner!
3. He never should have been elected in the first place! If anyone other than Martha Martha Martha had been his opponent, he'd have lost two years ago.
Things have been restored to their rightful balance and the GOP is mostly that -- it's not so grand, but it's definitely OLD and increasingly out of touch with the American electorate.

Three main reasons why Scott Brown lost:
1. He is Republican
2. He is Republican
3. He is Republican
Just like Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock, Donald Trump etc. Republican party instead of radicalizing and becoming even less relevant need to clean itself up. It is simply disgusting right now.

We the people, only need one concrete reason! Elizabeth Warren got 54% of the vote, because more of the eletorate believe she is the better candidate for the job. Why is that not clear crystal clear?

It's like you were in a boxing match and got knocked clear out the ring on your ass, and then you try to crawl back into the ring, over the ropes, still not knowing where the hell you are. But, everyone has been home for hours, and you start asking questions, like: "Give me three concrete reasons why I just got knocked out on my ass." Sorry, Chase that's not the way it works.You don't get to ask questions now, because it's too late for that. Your guy lost fair and square, if that's even possible for the Democrats, with a guy like Karl Rove lurking in the background. Time to move ahead, not time to placate the losers! Save your questions for the Republicans, Romney and Brown supporters, because they don't have the answers or the questions

Whoa, Bob's a comedian too.

Let me guess, you're playing hooky from school today.

My how you love to throw around the term socialist.When you are getting social benefits, like unemployment, Medicare, and social security, it is not socialism, but when those in dire need get benefits, that is socialism.

Just as I thought. No one can answer my question. I asked for three real specifics as to what Scott Brown did to lose his job. No one had any specifics.

Elizabeth won. Scott lost that is true. But why. It’s was a popularity contest plan and simple. Scott has done a great job being bi-partisan and working on both side of the aisle for his state and his country. If you don’t believe me, look it up on a government website. That is what our president is telling the House and the Senate to do. That is what the voters are telling our elected officials they must do.

If it is a popularity contest, then I am a little sad because it shouldn’t be that way.
A republican recently said, “I am not here to be voted prom king, I am here to do a job.” That is how it should be.
What do you tell your kids? You don’t need to do a good job in school, just be liked? I know I won’t be telling my kids that.

That’s my opinion.

It's not that no one CAN answer your question, it's that nobody cares to. I would think you would be used to this, I'm guessing this extends to other areas of your life as well.

Avon is an irrational Socialist,....best to be ignored.

This is the entitlement mentality - Chase believes that just because he asks a question it DESERVES to be answered. Like his question is some sort of online EBT card that is automatically redeemable for responses.

Avon, are you by chance foaming at the mouth dear? I suspect you are suffering from Mad Cow Disease.

Quick, somebody get VoR his trophy for participating in the blog before he gets depressed and cries.

This is open forum for discuss. I was just making a point that I feel the most “popular” doesn't equal the best candidate. In your case, I still find it fascinating how one word, in this case "deserve" can make you and so many other people block out everything else. Very interesting.

Chase, your question was framed and phrased in such a welcoming manner which belied such a willingness to be open to new ideas, I have no idea how I misinterpreted your intentions.

As posted previously Chase, the answer is quite simple. As you can see from the responses you've received so far, it's an unfortunate that so many of my gender take constructive critisism personally and then react irratically and emotionally especially at certain times of the month......full moon-:)

With politicians, honesty is generally debatable. Warren is the furthest from lazy or thoughtless. Is that really the best you can do?

black and white thinking helps no one

your postings above--disgrace you, Republicans, and anyone who holds the position of Senator in Massachusetts. You are a walking illustration of why Republicans are in deep trouble. They are trying to woo Latinos but it's cynical. They want women to vote with them but they offer nothing but no healthcare and no place at the table. For you guys, getting the women's vote is about men getting more control of their women.

I bet you never served in the military

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/iraq-afghanistan-amputees_n_2089911.html?utm_hp_ref=daily-brief?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=110812&utm_medium=email&utm_content=NewsEntry&utm_term=Daily%20Brief

You also have to bring toilet paper to the moon....iy doesn't grow on trees.

Where did Osama say that the $$$ saved on space will now be directed to education. I missed that. Seems as though every extra $$$ does to welfare, food stamps and handouts.

Thank you. I like good, well thought out answers. To tell you the true, I am contemplating running for an open town/state position next year and I am trying to understand what the voters expect, and why they vote. Very interesting.

Chase, if you run for office, make sure you go up to every constituent and say "HEY, GIVE ME THREE REASONS WHY YOU SHOULDN'T VOTE FOR ME" and then laugh contemptuously at them when they don't. That should work great for you, and it will achieve fidelity between your online and in-person messaging.

Avon, Thank you for your feedback as well. I appreciate honestly and I feel you are providing just that.

Chase, IMO you are not ready to run anywhere (at least in MA) the way you position yourself online.

He also weakened Dodd Frank as "pay" for his vote - again he is Wall Street's senator...not ours, that and that pledge to grover

It's called a lunch break. Generally comes at this hour. Term limits, pensions, and they should get NO health care or have to be subject to the same plan everyone else in America is subject to.

you should follow.

lol....that leaves you out dear! Moooooo!

No kidding! You want to know why? ONLY THE HIGH-TECH JOBS ARE THAT ONE THAT ARE GONE! THAT WHAT CAUSE 42 MILLION AMERICANS ARE LIVING IN POVERTY! HIGH-TECH JOBS ONLY!!! ONLY HIGH-TECH JOBS!!! ONLY HIGH-TECH JOBS!!! ONLY HIGH TECH JOBS IN USA!!! Ever wonder WHY!? Take a walk around the Hi-Tech parks around Route 128 during coffee breaks and lunch breaks and see for yourself! How about across the street from Burlington Mall, walk around Second St.,Third St. ,North St., Middlesex St.,Mall Rd. ...etc! Do you see any "For Lease" signs outside the buildings there at this time? No,but you will see PEOPLE walking around the streets during the breaks time and why they are outside and other people are inside? Ever wonder why? There a BIG different!

Went to Boomberg.com to check stock marrket (down) but found story about warren you might like to check out.

Uhm...do you realize he won and your guy lost???

I know this notion circulated for awhile but has been factchecked differently. Actually Obama did not have control of both houses during that entire time period...the requirement for passing legislation being 60 votes don't forget...during that time period we had a number of Senators out...i.e. Kennedy having seizures, Byrd hospitalized for a period after that, Al Franken was not sworn in due to lengthy recount in his State, etc. etc As well, The Filibuster was used more than any time in prior history.

I posted a time line debunking your gargage on two year dem control - not true

you expect us to believe this on your say so?? Where do you get your gnu's???

Since the 2010 election, Republicans passed new voting restrictions in more than a dozen states aimed at reducing the turnout of Barack Obama's "coalition of the ascendant"--young voters, African-Americans and Hispanics. But the GOP's suppression strategy failed. Ten major restrictive voting laws were blocked in court and turnout among young, black and Hispanic voters in 2012 was even higher than in 2008. Republicans trying to suppress citizen's rights, but it backfired.

Bush II held hands with the Emir in Saudi Arabia. When any president goes to Asia they of course bow to their counterpart. Why don't you get a life.

Wow Voice of Reason. Comment removed for being a sexist jerk.

Fox News lied when they said Romney would win in a landslide.

That's actually pretty funny, Marlene!

You really had to go back 54 years to pull that up ? Unbelievable!

Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren for 2012!!!

If nothing else this thread has demonstrated how automatically our negative attitudes about women leaders intrude. Especially when the angry white males act personally affronted and hence enraged. One post after another makes despicable comments and lies about Elizabeth Warren.
With 5 new women senators-elect going to the Senate in January, 2103, it's time for the trolls here to lift their minds out of the Dark Ages.
Women, in truth make excellent leaders and are often called on to bring order and decency to even 3rd World nations which are divided and conflicted.

I personally won't mind - I was the first Dem or one of the first to support Obama - 3 days after his Springfield announcement and I will eagerly support Hillary - she proved herself to be more than capable - she just lost in 2008 - but if she runs I hope she will win in 2016

and Indiana needs to go on a watch list for his personal attacks
but I agree with those who ask Voice of R. to stand down.

You really have to work at it to degrade the quality of conversation on Patch.

Now THERE'S the voice of reason we were all looking for!

Chris
WHAT HAPPENED TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH?

IT NEVER APPLIED TO PRIVATELY OWNED WEBSITES!

Michael, this is a privately-owned website and we have terms of service. "Voice of Reason" was asked repeatedly to stop spamming the discussion board and did not comply. It is within our sole purview to suspend such users.

Ah. I saw him/her make a sexist remark higher in the thread and just assumed. I guess *I* am the sexist now.

The profits are paid to people who then pay taxes on it.

Higher corporate taxes will result in a reduction of good paying jobs and an increase in the unemployment rate.

Finally, a liberal recognizes that the Globe is not reputable.

Here is some more hearsay. Just from MA. Within the last year.

http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2022030811_indicted_in_ebt_fraud_case

http://www.mass.gov/ago/news-and-updates/press-releases/2012/2012-04-19-ebt-investigation.html

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/12/13/ebt-card-scam-shut-down-in-lynn/

http://www.universalhub.com/2012/chinatown-businesses-raided-ebt-fraud-investigatio

http://www.salemnews.com/region/x1865823103/53-targeted-in-in-alleged-food-stamp-fraud

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2012/04/23/taxpayers-dollars-at-work-more-ebt-card-fraud-mini-mart-owners-welfare-fraud-nets-over-700000/

http://waltham.patch.com/articles/waltham-store-manager-charged-with-ebt-related-fraud

http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/hampden/mass-losing-millions-to-welfare-fraud

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/lottery-fraud-massachusetts_n_1558761.html

Not sure who you are responding to here but I'm assuming it's me since I just used the word fact alot.
I never said I was resentful, you came up with that yourself. Please don't try to tell me how I feel. I was simply pointing out that zero income families can do quite well if they use all the programs available to them. And yes, I have experienced it first hand. Having worked in the affordable housing industry for the past 20 years I have encountered thousands of people benefitting from these programs. Many who need it and many who do not. What I do resent is watching widowed 80 year old women sit on waiting lists for years for an apartment while people who are perfectly capable of working leach off the system. I resent seeing the people who really need it not being able to get it because the people who don't need it are using it all up. I resent watching drug dealers pull up in their BMW to their $25/month apartment that they qualify for because they have no reportable income while honest helpless people struggle to find a place to live or stay at a shelter with their families. Open your eyes. You can't just keep throwing money at these programs and hoping some of it sticks. You actually have to DO something. I have never taken a dime from any government program and hope I never have to. I have my fair share because I've worked for it my whole life and worked to help others the whole time too.

Sean Ward....are you saying that your professional work career is in the actual processing of applications for Affordable Housing?

Obamacare will give the 97% a huge tax hike!!

No cite, you lose. Good day sir.

I said good day.

Itiot Lunt - thinks the mandate is mandatory - it isn't - the mandate "tax" only kicks in if you absolutely refuse to take med care just like here in MA - insurance sends you a proof of care - you send it in - no tax - even Lunt shold get that but too stupid to want to get it i guess

Republicans are now saying it's the 'biggest tax increase in history' — either of America or the universe of whatever. But this is demonstrably false.

The Congressional Budget Office says the mandate penalty will raise $27 billion between 2012 and 2021. $27 billion over a decade. Anybody who cares to can do the math. But if you want to call it a 'tax increase' — which is debatable — it's clearly one of tiniest ones in history.

Let's be fair: When Republicans talk about ACA's tax increases, most of them are talking about all the taxes in the bill, not just the penalty. But they're still off base. There have been 15 tax increases of significant size since 1950, and Jerry Tempalski, a tax analyst in the Treasury Department, has estimated the size of all of them as a percentage of GDP. Tempalski hasn't estimated the eventual size of ACA, but PolitiFact took a crack at it using the same methodology, and they figure that ACA amounts to a tax increase of 0.49% of GDP seven years from now. That places it tenth on the list.

It's fair for Republicans to complain that ACA includes a bunch of new taxes. It does. Most of them fall on high earners and corporations, not the middle class, but they're still taxes. However, the "biggest tax increase in history" nonsense is crazy, and no news outlet interested in accuracy should let it pass without challenge.

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Shorter holding period for owners: Small business owners who plan to sell their company -- or a stake in it -- sometimes change the way their company is legally designated to pay lower taxes. But to benefit from the lower taxes, a business owner has to change the designation and then keep it for another 10 years. That period was lowered to seven years when Obama signed the 2009 Recovery Act, then it was lowered to five years with the 2010 Small Business Jobs Act. It'll stay low until the end of this year.

Mobile phone deductions: Deducting mobile phone expenses was once needlessly complicated, but the Small Business Jobs Act simplified this permanently.
Startup deductions: Since 2004, startups have been allowed to deduct up to $5,000 of startup costs, such as marketing research and office supplies. In an effort to further help entrepreneurs, that was raised permanently to $10,000 by the Small Business Jobs Act.

Limited penalties on tax errors: Companies that make errors on their taxes are forced to pay penalties. Depending on the type of mistake, they pay anywhere from $50,000 to $200,000, but in every case, paying such a high fine hurts small businesses proportionally more than large companies. The Small Business Jobs Act permanently changed that, capping penalties as 75% of the mistake.

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Tax cuts that are still around but weaker

Bonus depreciation: In recent years, the federal government has occasionally allowed businesses to more immediately write off a larger portion of the expense of property, such as vehicles and equipment. A 50% bonus depreciation was made available by the 2008 Economic Stimulus Act signed into law by President Bush. Obama extended that with the Recovery Act, again with the Small Business Jobs Act, and it was temporarily increased to 100% by the 2010 Tax Relief Act. It's back to 50% until the end of this year. Each was counted as a tax break.

Exclusion on capital gains: Since 1993, the federal government has tried to entice angel investors to pour money into small, risky companies by excluding taxes on 50% of their capital gains. With the Recovery Act, that got pushed up to 75%. It was raised to 100% by the Small Business Jobs Act, and the Tax Relief Act kept it at 100% for investments made during 2011. It's back to 50%.

Higher expensing: Businesses are typically allowed to write off expenses to lower taxes. Bush raised the expense limit to $250,000 with the Stimulus Act, and Obama extended that with the Recovery Act. The limit was raised to $500,000 with the Small Business Jobs Act until the end of last year. It's back down to $139,000.

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(more tax cuts) - last one

Carryback: Let's say a company has a few good years followed by a really bad one. Assuming it paid taxes in previous years, the carryback provision lets that firm get a refund now based on taxes it paid years ago. The Recovery Act extended the carryback provision from two years to five, helping businesses that went into the red during the recession dip way back to the start of the economic boom. It's back down to two years, though.
Work opportunity tax credit: Since the Reagan years, the government has sought to help those having the most trouble finding jobs by offering tax credits to businesses that hire at-risk youth, ex-felons and veterans. With the Recovery Act, Obama expanded the pool of people that could benefit. The 2011 Veterans Opportunity to Work Heroes Act extended this until the end of 2012 for veterans only, but many others were dropped from the program.

But the market continues to go down, after the re-election of President Obama.

Darren,
You are forgetting the fact that 23 million Americans are in the unemployment line and corporate America continues to shed jobs, and if they are hiring, it is at a snails pace. With the uncertainty of the high costs of Obamacare, hiring may stall or be stagnant. Stop drinking the liberal kool aid.

Darren thanks for the detail on many of these programs, very interesting and helpful, I'm a republican in full disclosure of course but these programs help and perhaps some across the aisle agreements can extend some the Small Business Care Job act elements that have expired such as higher expensing limits up from $139K and the percent allowance on Capital gains, going to 75% or even 100%.

The big issue on cap gains is to retain the distinct tax bracket gap on them from ordinary income, crucial to angel/venture investing and even Private equity investing that often don't show returns in fledgling business for up to 7 years on average. Those industries are cautious about an Obama second term...

Markets reacted Wednesday based on a belief that the probability of the Fiscal Cliff being reached is slightly greater under a second term with Obama. That likely hood is still in market analyst views under 10 % probability, and Warren has the retail banking community very concerned, and Angry Calvinist in one Sr Directors terms, very idealistic.

@mikeBurns - Thanks - this too no real efort - its for anyone willing to take 5 mins to verify - unlike the Lunts who just wait for the FoxNews spoon or Hannity or Rush and yes - many agree why Wall Street doesn't like the fiscal cliff but but Bohner and McConnell plan to obstruct so yep it might be a problem - I hope we go over the cliff then put in legislation ONLY FOR the middle class cuts - watch to see if they obstruct that - the sequester will be the same - being willing to NOT OBSTRUCT will allow the sequester to be resolved - but I think the GOP hasn't learned that the people voted against them

Darren,
It's not fact it's liberal spin on your part. Watch Fox News for a change, they are fair and balanced.

Fair and Balanced?? You are insane and close minded did you watch ANY of the FOX election coverage? Going to the news room to triple check Ohio. The math you do as a republican? Bill O'Riley? Sara Palin? it was Not fai and Unbalanced with every breath, If you believe that then you are a Dumb Lunt Your views are warped and borderline insane. And you call people liars when the facts are not only out in the open but everywhere. on every news outlet in America and you still claim other wise. When the Super 8 pay taxes this will stop job growth? Come on man get a clue and a grip it is not a Liberal spin it is reality. you should change your graduation pic to a man in a dunce cap.

If you intend for that to sound damning, well... then you don't really understand the report.

If you meant it as the Obama campaign just plain being more competent than the Romney campaign, then my apologies, and carry on.

It worked well - they knew how to reach out - but the best thin they did was go to houses an not outsource the GOTV to faith, lawn signs, and faith (oh and see Rove, Karl for doing similiar but not as useful work in past elections)

So what's your point - Ypu "educated" people (you and Lunt) have a problem with facts, reality, and common sense
Personally, I said I would enjoy this before election day and you have provided so much humor, its been delicious to watch the GOP and wingnuts like you and Lunt twist in the wind. Your boy Rush said on the radio that liberals, left-leaners, and center-left people should shut up until we win an election - well we won - so should you shut up now? I won't hold my breath....but Rush is your standard-bearer for "Dittoism"

Brian,
Fox News is fair and balanced, the other networks are liberal media hacks for the Obama administration and therefore it's unbalanced, you are insane to follow the liberal networks like sheep.

^^^ BRAIN WASHING COMPLETE ^^^

I know we've gone a bit afield. You know, all of us. Like in everyone. The conversation has moved on. Here, I'll do what I can to help out...

Go slower people! paul's getting confused!

Whereas Lunt is wearing that hat like a boss.

Seriously, you just had a wrongasm over a CNN report because you don't understand what "data mining" means. You wanna talk qualifications?

Thank you Janet....I agree completely about the Twitter remark. My money says most of the folks who 'troll' here, have Twitter accounts.

Everyone has a twitter account paul. I know it's hard to accept, but the world (like this thread) had moved on without you.

Right Marlene,
When you are in the circular firing squad of the RW (mis) information bubble -- this is what happens - today Karl and Mitt and their minions are using Hurricane Sandy to explain to donors why they failed - Yep, it wasn't anything like lies, flip-flops, constant changing positions, 47% video, and a failure to identify their voting base. It was Sandy - The polls disagree with this silliness but I heard Haley Barber (Boob former governor from the "state" of MS that looks like a human Foghorn Leghorn and sounds like the character as well) us the same meme - truly sad and funny - can you imagine blowing half a billion (Rove) or almost a billion (Romney) and FAIL big time then have to explain this failure to the Koch bros, Sheldon Adelson, Alice Walton, and other wingnut billionaires ? It's delicious fun - If only we could have watched that cringe-fest.

Wait, let me stop laughing at you - Ok, now let me say that I don't owe you a damn explanation on my background - so you can take that and (well you know) - but because you make me laugh with your silliness - I will tell you that I have been an activist for over 20 years, but 12 of it in politics - happy now? If not, go do what Dick Cheney told Patrick Leahy on the Senate floor to do

I like Twitter - you can have one too - unless mommy won't let you have one

There are male feminists...

... and their special parts shall be spared!!! ;)

Gretchen, you are on thin ice. Don't call people ugly or make assumptions about their sexual orientation because you disagree with them. Comment deleted.

Chris....shhhh...don't make a fool of yourself.

Gretchen I just want to be clear I am an editor with Patch and have no qualms about removing someone that cannot adhere to our minimal terms of service. Do not engage in this kind of behavior again or you will be suspended. Period.

Chris, had you watched the news this afternoon I think you'd have a better grasp of my post. Why would you take it personally? Yeesh, this is still the USA!

What was in the news that could make that kind of a comment appropriate? Also, while this is the USA, you are on a private website and we have terms of service to which you agree when you comment. Otherwise your comments are removed.

News.

Well, if you have any actual objections that are remotely serious, drop me an email at Chris.Caesar@patch.com. Otherwise, please play nice.

Chris now I'm baffled, can you explain how these posts from above fit your "Well, if you have any actual objections that are remotely serious, drop me an email at Chris.Caesar@patch.com. Otherwise, please play nice." and yet mine did not?

"Way to go, New Hampshire! Woman elected Governor. Two women elected to U.S. House of Representatives to join two women who are U.S. Senators. Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Lucretia Mott, Susan B. Anthony, Jeannette Rankin and a lot of our mothers are smiling and saying, "It's about time!" My sisters from New Hampshire are so proud of their state."

"I know we've gone a bit afield. You know, all of us. Like in everyone. The conversation has moved on. Here, I'll do what I can to help out...
Go slower people! paul's getting confused!"

"VO (un)reason. It's been two days, how long is this tantrum going on? Why don't you just fall on the floor and cry and get over it. You give other republicans a bad reputation. They're already busy thinking how to win next time."

Actually, perusing thru, those are mild.

Because none of them made bigoted remarks about people. Move on, please.

Where in your TOS does it say that feminist groups are a taboo subject? Would you mind posting a list of these off limit subjects please?

As I said Gretchen, any further questions about my moderating can be answered via email, I will not bog down the thread with a back-and-forth over a comment. Any further comments about it here will be deleted. Thanks.

I don't remember posting this. Please delete. I know there are male feminists. I know many of them. Including my husband.

Different Gretchen.

latest exhibit A on twitter is Donald Trump's tweets saying that Obama's win showed we weren't a democracy and we needed a revolution
Not all tweeting is mindless. I don't tweet, don't even have a cell phone, but please don't dismiss those who do. It actually does connect people.

Thank you David, saved me a post to respond to this

...but you responded anyway.

Pssssst.... you lost track of who you're trolling again. You liked her a minute ago.