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Let's Get the Beds out of the Fire Stations in Natick

The beds in all fire stations need too go, the Firefighters no longer live at the station. No Job in the World allows you to go to bed at work. Back in the late 1800s into the early 1900s it was understandable. At other times this practice is looked at as Tradition. Tradition? They used to stone people to death to as a tradition. Now the Firemen say they work 2 days on, 3 days off. Another scam. The Fire Dept should be 3 eight hour shifts or 2 twelve hour shifts. Another biproduct of sleeping at work these folks all have side jobs as carpenters, painters ect. They can under cut the price of the job because they make big bucks working at the Fire Dept. One More Thing......Why are 90% of Firefighters Sons, Daughters or relatives of current or former Firemen? Look at the names. If you want me to list them I will.. Time for Vhange Fire Chief.......
Peter Maldoof February 19, 2014 at 11:56 AM
One thing I missed. By undercutting the price for services at their side jobs it's hard for regular Joes not working at the Fire Dept. To compete. Say you feed your family, put food on the table, pay your bills painting. These guys already have a fat paycheck and can do job cheaper. They don't depend on it to eat. That morning they wake up after a good nights sleep on our dime and are competing with us for jobs. I know some nights they have false alarms, fires, car wrecks ect but that's what they get paid for. And they really do need some fresh blood. Just because your Dad worked there doesn't mean your in!
Randy Blue March 13, 2014 at 06:38 PM
Peter, You are a complete idiot. Obviously you are upset because you could not get on the NFD. It is not because there wasn't room because all the jobs were taken by family members. It is because you are a moron. God Bless America. Redmen Forever...
Prometheus March 14, 2014 at 11:23 AM
Lets also be clear.....firemen put water on fires....hopefully you are smart enough to see where I am going with this. God bless America.
Peter Maldoof March 14, 2014 at 04:39 PM
LOL! No Randy, I do not want to be a Natick Fireman. They do not make enough money. Obviously you are one of these Nativk Firemen signing in on a fake name to answer one post, Mine. One day you will be working not sleeping "Randy". The beds are coming out of Fire Stations across the country. One day even Natick will have no beds in The Fire Dept. Is your last name Arena? Sticka maybe? Yup, your one of em. Stuck in Natick forever. Redmen Forever? Even the Redmen are no more. You should know that
mary March 15, 2014 at 07:46 PM
The correct term is firefighter. We now have women on the job. Do you really think that they can sleep as if they were at home, Knowing at any minute they have to be out on a call. Yes the job has changed. They respond to all types of emergencies. I don't quite understand your suggestion of three 8 hour or two 12 hour shifts as that would only be a 24 hour work week. I appreciate their sacrifice of putting their life on the line for the rest of us.
Randy Blue March 16, 2014 at 10:27 PM
No I am not a firefighter. But I do appreciate them.
Flatfoot200 March 21, 2014 at 04:23 PM
Times are tough out there. I know a guy named Charlie who has a MBA and he's trying to make ends meet by slinging cabinets together. I wish him good luck.
Peter Maldoof March 21, 2014 at 05:55 PM
Well "Mary".... 3, Eight hour shifts OR 2, Twelve hour shifts equals 24 Hours and there are 24 hrs in a Day ok...OK "Mary"? Oh yeah, you were educated in Natick alright lol! And Flatfoot200. If Charlies last name was Spencer, Arena, Black, Sticka (and your Dad was a "Firefighter"{Thanks for the correction Mary lol}, like these members of the fire dept) he could be a one too! NATICK WAKE UP! Look at the current roster for the Fire Dept. The last names are the same as 30 yrs ago. All Natick Residents should be able to apply. The Natick Police is not nearly as bad but its a click too
mary March 21, 2014 at 07:38 PM
I will never change your mind so I will not try. Your first statement was not clear. You state they should work three eight hour shifts or two twelve hour shifts. That would make for a twenty four hour work week. Should people be disqualified because their relatives were firefighters? Your statement about the police officer was slander. If it did happen you should have reported it at the time.
Tony Schinella (Editor) March 22, 2014 at 06:19 PM
Peter, the comments were deleted by a supervisor here at Patch, not by the police. They violated the terms of service, which can be found here as a reminder: http://natick.patch.com/terms
Peter Maldoof March 22, 2014 at 09:53 PM
Hi Tony, My last post was deleted too. I read your TOS and can understand deleting the post where I named the name of the pot dealing cop. But my most recent post was also deleted, Why? I did not name any names. I lived in Natick for many years and even graduated from Natick High. I don't speak on things unless I know what I'm talking about. I am not a liar Tony, That event happened. And I know a lot of Firefighters. Joe Slattery who passed away recently was a good friend back in High School and since. I have nothing personally against any firefighter. My beef is the Hiring Practices and the beds in the Fire house. I'm not some nut either. I know what I'm talking about. I'm a College Graduate and served 15 yrs in the US Navy. Thanks Tony. P
Tony Schinella (Editor) March 23, 2014 at 09:54 AM
@Peter: We're not saying you're a liar; but you can't make criminal accusations or insinuations about people that could open up Patch to a libel suit. Whether using a name or stating in a veiled manner where readers could figure out who you are speaking about quite easily, this is not the way to go about it. If you have concerns about employees of Natick, you should reach out directly to the powers that be and rectify them in that way. Thanks!
Randy Blue March 24, 2014 at 12:32 AM
"The Natick Police is not nearly as bad but its a click too" "I'm a College Graduate " Then you should know it's clique not click. You are a simpleton and that is why you couldn't get on the PD or FD. Not because all the family members took your spot.
Peter Maldoof March 24, 2014 at 02:22 AM
Oh Randy......Always want to critique (did I spell it right?) my post for grammar issues to deflect from the Problems in the Fire and Police Dept. I signed up for Natick Patch because I left that town in my rear view mirror almost 35yrs ago. I liked to hear what is going on, reading about old friends doing stupid things and getting locked up. Plus I like to keep up on who passed away. I was very close with Joe Slattery when we were kids and felt so sad to hear he passed from cancer. I know his Mom and Dad, 2 Brothers and his sister as well. If you have lived in Natick you know it is a "clique". The Fire Dept, Police Dept. Even the Building Dept. You know the right people you can do anything. One summer when I was in HS I worked for the Health Dept. One summer. If a town official had a party planned we would be spraying their yard for mosquitoes before the festivities. Even certain citizens could have such a service depending on their last name. Now "Randy Blue", my issue is with the hiring procedures or the fire and police dept and with The beds in all the Fire Stations. If you want to be my own personal spell checker that's great. You have twice now suggested I had applied to be a Fire or Police Department employee. I never applied Randy. After Graduation I was an officer in the US Navy for 15 yrs. Diabetes forced me to retire early. I could not afford to work any job that is Town of Natick related. I am now semi retired and live in Malibu Ca. I will not returning to Natick in death either. My family is Buried in Truro on the Cape. So no, I never.did apply. Its not my fault you chose to live in Natick Randy. That place is Dead End Central for those looking for Adventure and Greatness. When you get adventurous take a ride to South Natick and look at the Waterfall while dreaming what might have been if you could have left Natick and your High School Friends behind you. Maybe you can take over and be Radio Randy when Ed passes away. Natick is all yours dude.......
Randy Blue March 29, 2014 at 11:57 PM
So you are basing all you say on what happened to you 35 years ago? Also you must have heard about the recent incident in Boston that took the lives of 2 firefighters. Would you like to comment on that? Recommend
Peter Maldoof March 30, 2014 at 12:53 AM
Randy, You really are a jerk...... It is Very Sad the Firefighters died in the line of duty. I never said anything about The Firefighters. My comment was Originally about Getting the Beds out of the firehouses not just in Natick but Coast to Coast. We do not pay them to sleep. If you remember years back when the Fire Station was on Summer St the firefighters would sit in Lawn Chairs in front of the building. The people of Natick didn't like that either. They had to fold up the chairs and all they did was move them out back. Town of Natick Jobs should be opened to everyone. Not just family members of Town Employees. The Highway Dept is the same as the Fire and Police. You can't see thru the bull. Back to the Firefighters who died. Very sad and I feel bad for the families. But it doesn't make me think All Firefighters are Super Heroes. They knew what they signed up for. I myself wouldn't work in any Town of Natick Job.... No Real Money there. You decided to stay in Natick, its a nice little Town. I Left. It wasn't for me. I had a lot of family living in Natick. All have left. Natick always had its Cast of Characters. Do you remember Joe Canoya? A Nice Heavy Set Man who was mentally challenged who was hit by a car years ago. He told me he was Humpty Dumpty when I was little. How about Radio Ed? Another nice man who was always downtown with his little radio in hand. He had Downs Syndrome but it never stopped him from being friends with most all of Natick. I Love Natick for the most part. I'm not living 35 yrs ago either. I was just there. Sons of Former Firefighters in front of the Downtown Station and all .......
Randy Blue March 30, 2014 at 01:08 PM
So if they aren't resting waiting for a fire what would you have them do? They need to be in a central place where the equipment is. Would you rather they were walking down the side of the town streets picking up trash with little sticks and the fire apparatus could follow along until an alarm is sounded and they could all jump in? Maybe they could all go to town hall and help file or something and keep the truck running out front? If someone wants to sleep 99% of the time and save a life or risk their life the other 1% of the time then I'm good with that. But I guess you would just call it laziness. You say we do not pay them to sleep. But if they worked a 24 hour shift and were constantly putting out fires or saving lives they would do it without complaining. Maybe you have never physically exerted yourself but I am sure after getting a call to put out a fire maybe an hour into your shift and with the adrenaline rush of saving a life you may want to go back to the station to rest a bit before the next alarm comes in and you still have hours of your shift left. I am not a jerk you are a moron. If I am wrong then please someone else speak up. Anyone else.
Peter Maldoof March 30, 2014 at 02:37 PM
Randy Randy Randy..... How about they go home and sleep in their own beds after working a 8 or 12 hr shift like most Americans??? They are Such Heroes and stuff maybe we should have cots at the fires so they can rest. Most of your last post was so stupid I refuse to even address it. My conversation is obviously over your head. Stop posting from your booth at the Happy Swallow
Peter Maldoof March 30, 2014 at 10:55 PM
PS..Randy, I have read your last post a couple of times now. Did you get to those Natick Schools in the really Short School Buses? Or maybe you went to the Special Schools in Newton and Boston where Natick sends their "Special Needs" Students. Sorry for the Happy Swallow comment, I'm sure you didn't understand it now. Its just a Happy Bird. Blues Clues is on early so you best get to bed. Your Friend Peter
chris pettepti April 01, 2014 at 09:17 AM
I realize you guys are duking it out, but using "special needs " as a punch is in very poor taste. You can always tell when someone has never been a victim of a fire or loved a special needs child. Play nice or go home.
Peter Maldoof April 01, 2014 at 11:30 AM
Chris, I understand what your saying and I will agree maybe I shouldn't have said the Special Needs piece. As for being a victim of a fire, yes I have been there. Lost everything including my Little Dog Schnitzel. Very Sad. The Firefighters did there job and put it out too. . Since 9/11 everyone wants to put these guys on a Pedestal for doing there job. I felt bad just like everyone else for the fire personnel who died in NY that day. I felt bad for the Police, Cantor Fitxgerald Workers, all who died that day. But just because these guys have a dangerous job doesn't mean they are Super Hero's. My point in this whole post is that we are in the 21st Century, The Firefighters do not live in the Fire Station anymore. After they work a 8hr or 12hr shift they should go home and sleep in their own beds. Many cities and towns across the US Canada and Europe have removed the beds already. London is removing the meds as they refurbish their Fire Stations. We will just have to agree to disagree. Mark my Words though. One day the Firestations will have no beds in them. Even in Natick. The Natick Police work long hours too. Maybe they needs some beds down there huh? I know Natick is a Nice Little Town, I lived there over 20 yrs. The Good Ole Boy hiring practices of the Fire Dept, Police Dept, Highway Dept, Most town jobs needs to be examined. 90% or better of firefighters in Natick are Sons, Daughters or family of Former Firefighters. Natick is now a bedroom community for Boston. Soon the citizens will notice what's going on and change things up
mary April 01, 2014 at 03:55 PM
Peter I am not sure why you continue to say they do not live at the fire station any longer, they never did. Perhaps you are referring to the very long work week they once had. They are heroes. When they signed up to put their life on the line for someone they do not know , yes that is being a hero. It is the same with police officers and the military. Beside the fact that they are in danger when fighting a fire, there are the carcinogens in many modern day materials, and the lack of sleep and both are known to shorten one's life. For some reason you are hung up on the beds in the fire station. I would prefer a firefighter who has had some rest coming to my home.
Peter Maldoof April 01, 2014 at 04:24 PM
Mary, I am hung up on beds in the FireStation. They shouldn't be there. No Job in America do you go to work to sleep. Years back, like 100+ yrs ago Firemen lived at the Fire Station. That is how the beds got in there. In Modern America there is no reason they can't go home after working an 8 or 12 hour shift and sleep in there own bed. If you read the Subject(you must be a Natick High Graduate) , That is what I'm saying. The Natick Police work hard, They need beds I guess. The Town of Natick Highway Dept loves scratching Lottery Tix behind the Convenient Store at Mill and Speen St. That makes them tired. Maybe put some beds in the Old Pepsi Plant Next Door to rest their scratching arm. You are Probably some old bag living up Cedar Gardens into all your neighbors business right? Complain if they let their dog pee in front of your house. Get a life Mary. Firefighters are just people Not Super Hero's. Again we will have to agree to disagree.
mary April 01, 2014 at 09:08 PM
Peter I promise this will be my last post on this subject. I have treated you with respect but you have not done the same. I find it odd that you state you would not do the job because they do not make enough money but criticize them for working another job on their time off from the fire department. First You repeatedly put my name in quotation marks, I assume indicating Mary is an alias. Your latest comment that I am an old bag living at Cedar Gardens is not only disrespectful to me but to the elderly residents that do reside at Cedar Gardens. I no longer reside in Natick. I am extremely proud to say that I am married to an American hero, a firefighter employed in another town.
Peter Maldoof April 01, 2014 at 10:02 PM
MARY........Exactly what U thought lol! I'm sure your husband is a great guy. I did think you were an alias because you were married to a Natick Firefighter, and I wasn't far off. I was in the Navy for a Long Time, 20+ Yrs. It wasn't the money that kept me there, the money wasn't great. I enjoyed the Job. I did well, Moved up fast, saw the world, And have friends from all over the USA and World. That is why I stayed. Now I'm in good shape, retired, doing what I like. I deliver Meals on Wheels 3 days a week. I drive elderly, Vets, Sick Folks to Dr spots. I manage to ring the Bell for 14 yrs in a row. When I was 15 I took a mentally challenged Girl to her Prom. She had a great time and we remain friends to this day. I have a few HIV/AIDS patients I help out driving them to Dr Appts, go food shopping. We have become friends and I take them out to eat, People Watching at the Mall, you name it. When one loses there battle with that terrible disease its like losing a brother. I have one friends Dog after I promised him I would take care of her. I give of myself and enjoy it. Most people don't even know what I do, I am just a guy who likes to help people. . I started this subject because I truly believe the Days of Beds in the Fire Station are numbered. For now the Fire Unions counter this with the 3 days on 2 days off. They get to hang out with friends, Cook Elaborate Meals, Sleep. If this was such a Money Saving Practice everyone would be doing it. There should be 2 - 12hr shifts OR 3-8HR shifts a day. Then everyone goes home and sleeps in their own bed. Its more time with family too. Jobs at the Fire Station should be advertised where everyone finds out they will be hiring at the same time. No backroom deals. If people want to be a firefighter they should be on level playing field with the Children and Family of retired or other Personnel.
Randy Blue April 07, 2014 at 07:40 PM
So if the shift starts at midnight and they immediately go out on a call and have to go into a burning building where they are physically and mentally exhausted afterwards but still have another 4 hours of their shift left. You don't want them to rest up in case there is another call before their shift ends? Its not like they are going to be in the middle of a burning building and say" well my shift is over I can go home and sleep in my own bed". They are going to stay and get the job done. I would like them to be rested up if that is the case and my house is burning. But you seem to be more worried that they have a relative who got them the job than the actual job. Well how about if they got the job for being a woman or black or for having a military background? Does that bother you too? You seem to go to negative places with your comments when you aren't winning the battle. I'm done with this you obviously have some hang ups that have nothing to do with the job at hand and won't rest until the beds are gone.
Peter Maldoof April 07, 2014 at 08:51 PM
Peter, You don't get it.Of course they don't leave in the middle of a fire. Usually off duty fire personnel come and help I'm the case of a big fire. After its out they go home and sleep in there own bed. They don't sleep during the day now, Just at night. A lot of nights they may sleep all night. Others they don't. But after working 8 or 12 hrs like the rest of us they go home and sleep. I worked miss in the service. We didn't sleep we worked. Beds in the Fire Station is more about Tradition than need. Of course the Fire People like it. Work 3 days off for 4. What a World. Taxpayers shouldn't be paying for these people to sleep. PERIOD.. Lets just agree to disagree. I don't see what your saying and you don't see what I'm saying. These people are Paid to Work. Since 9/11 everyone wants to put them on a Pedestal. I don't. They knew what it was when they signed up


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